• Middle East Settlement

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Posted by arthur at 2006-07-31 11:21 AM
A few articles are starting to appear joining the dots on the implications of Israeli acceptance/request/demand for an international force (acceptable to Hezbollah) in south Lebanon for a comprehensive settlement for a "new middle east" dealing with the real "root causes".


Here's one by Scowcroft on Beyond Lebanon.

 Joschka Fischer has one on Thinking Big  which looks like a standard pro-Israel rave but has interesting final paragraphs.


The Orwellian process in which Oceania is at war with Eurasia, Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia seems almost complete. What looks like war mongering against Iran and exceptionally bellicose propaganda for brave little Israel with ludicrous claims that it is defending itself from extinction at the hands of murderous terrorists and denying that the root cause is the Israeli occupation and disposession of the Palestinians ends up making withdrawal from the West Bank and establishment of a Palestinian state look like a minor tactial adjustment to help isolate Iran.


It's hard to tell how much of this is the natural flow of the necessary logic arising from the real situation, how much is written by people who really believe what they are saying about Hezbollah and Iran etc and how much is conscious disinformation. (Some of the neocons sound far more convincing as rabid zionists these days and the "pro-war left" seems to go for it as a natural extension of their liberal imperialism). Everything seems to be flowing towards the absolute necessity of getting Israel out of the West Bank becoming recognized as uncontroversial (and indeed, a victory for Israel against the machinations of Hezbollah and Iran as part of the GWOT).


Its rather like the period before the invasion of Iraq in which all commentary was completely dominated by stuff about WMDs and disarming Sadaam and none about democratic change throughout the region. Likewise it resembles the Vietnam war becoming a war to recover POWs.


If, as I believe, the Bushies are following Lincoln's tactic of never taking a step until its necessity has become obvious, and inescapable, it looks like things are nearly there.


Unfortunately, unlike the American Civil War there still doesn't seem to be any role for the left to push things forward. Its still more like Bismarck carrying out the program of the German revolution, with conservatism still dominant and the people still feeling powerless and bewildered by events. An interesting twist is Democratic Party chair Howard Dean denouncing the Iraqi President for refusing to critizize Hezbollah and tying that to Democrat defeatism in Iraq and backlash against democracy and region change generally.


With any luck the Republicans could fight the next US Presidential election on a "party of Lincoln" platform (especially if its Condi v Hilary) and the Democrats come to be seen as openly reactionary.

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Posted by Lupin3 at 2006-08-01 10:40 AM
I was recently sent an interesting article by the online publication "Stratfor" which, I hasten to add, I have had no previous experience. The article, "Middle East Crisis: Backgrounder," makes the following observation:
"Israel lives with three realities: geographic, demographic and cultural. Geographically, it is at a permanent disadvantage, lacking strategic depth. It does enjoy the advantage of interior lines -- the ability to move forces rapidly from one front to another. Demographically, it is on the whole outnumbered, although it can achieve local superiority in numbers by choosing the time and place of war. Its greatest advantage is cultural. It has a far greater mastery of the technology and culture of war than its neighbors. Two of the realities cannot be changed. Nothing can be done about geography or demography. Culture can be changed. It is not inherently the case that Israel will have a technological or operational advantage over its neighbors. The great inherent fear of Israel is that the Arabs will equal or surpass Israeli prowess culturally and therefore militarily. If that were to happen, then all three realities would turn against Israel and Israel might well be at risk. That is why the capture of Israeli troops, first one in the south, then two in the north, has galvanized Israel. The kidnappings represent a level of Arab tactical prowess that previously was the Israeli domain. They also represent a level of tactical slackness on the Israeli side that was previously the Arab domain. These events hardly represent a fundamental shift in the balance of power. Nevertheless, for a country that depends on its cultural superiority, any tremor in this variable reverberates dramatically. Hamas and Hezbollah have struck the core Israeli nerve. Israel cannot ignore it."
Much has already been made of the demographic trends both within Israel and and it's Arab neighbors, and the geographic argument needs little elaboration. I do think the cultural perspective is quite useful however, yet not in the superficial manner employed in the final paragraphs quoted above. Though the ability of Hizbollah to capture and kill (a point remarkably unremarked upon) Israeli troops certainly points to an unrecognized sophistication in it's organization, I am skeptical of the "rationales" often attributed to Israelis of "sensitivity" to either military equivalence or of some innate, primal, empathetic fear of captivity bourne of the Holocaust experience. More importantly, I think, is the ability of the Hizbollah organization to field an increasingly sophisticated military presence, whether from longer range, more destructive rockets and missiles or ingenious tactics such as that which nearly sank an Israeli picket ship.


This increase in military capability has occured at first despite, and later perhaps was accelerated by, the dismantling of Sharon's occupation of Lebanon. That last, at least, is certainly the perspective within some conservative circles of Israeli (and American) politics.


I think the question of the relative superiority of Israeli forces against either Hizbollah or Iran is an open question - it may be that technological superiority is proving less important than structural sophistication and tactical innovation. But certainly the "extinction" of Israel becomes more than merely ludicrous if we suppose that Israel's enemies narrow the cultural gap to a necessary degree - which obviously, in conjunction with Israel's geographic and demographic deficits, need not be equal.


 I think too that wiping Israel from the face of the earth or of history is unlikely, but that one of the central reasons for it's existence - to provide a means for the Jewish and Israeli people to defend themselves from the predations of others on their own terms - will have been invalidated (if it hasn't already given Israel's heavy reliance upon the US). If this is not an existential threat, nothing is.


So, to hedge my comments, I would suggest that at least from the Israeli perspective, Hizbollah's aggression is not entirely distinct from it's propaganda about Israel's place in the world, or lack of it. But if this perspective makes Israeli concerns about existential threats somewhat less ludicrous, it also suggests a possible strategic goal to their history of violence toward both the Palestinians and Lebanese. Obviously, foriegn policy viewed through this perspective implies a need to limit or maintain that cultural advantage, and it quickly becomes quite easy to ascribe such a motive to Israel's attacks against the infrastructure, both physical and political, of it's Arab neighbors. The degree to which that is true also is an open question.

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Posted by arthur at 2006-08-01 12:45 PM

That cultural gap will diminish even more with democratic changes in Israel's neighbours.

Palestinian resistance groups have never been able to operate as a guerilla army with secure base areas. Hezbollah operates more like the armed forces of a mini-state in south Lebanon and has performed dramatically better than the armies of any Arab state due to superior motivation and morale etc.

I would expect Israel to be very worried indeed about the current perception of actually having been defeated in battle by Hezbollah's militia as the sense of inferiority among the Arabs and superiority of the Israelis is a critical cultural factor. But that relates to Hezbollah's ability to hold its ground under a sustained Israeli attack rather than the initial raid. Anyone can stage a successful cross border raid (as also happened in Gaza) and Hezbollah has done that before without provoking anything like the current reaction.

Mobilizing several brigades for a proper ground offensive seems likely to make Israel appear invincible again since they are still clearly superior in mobile warfare. However it could be quite costly if they have to leave well dug in Hezbollah positions inside their lines and hope for a quick ceasefire after sweeping past to the Litani river rather than having to dig them out by close quarters combat.

Although it talks a lot about existential threats, Israel's strategic concern has been how to take advantage of its strategic superiority to expand into "Greater Israel" rather than actually having much to worry about.

Israel has never actually had to fight a defensive war although if Arab chauvinist rhetoric about driving the jews into the sea was a substitute for actual military capability both the original 1948 expansion beyond the territory granted by UN and the subsequent 1967 expansion to current borders would have been defensive as pretended.

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Posted by Lupin3 at 2006-08-01 01:47 PM
Those are good points, Arthur. It seems to me that in support of the "empire in retreat" meme that this site is helping to develop is the effect of the Iraq war on Israel.

Does it seem likely, with a belligerent and unstable regime in Iraq, that Iran would be so quick to confront Israel, and through them the US?

Of course the pseudos will merely charge "incompetence" when confronted by the risk the Iraq war has created for Israel, so far from being it's bidding. But beyond Iraq there are the elections in Palestine and Lebanon that the US helped to foster.


I found Fischer's comments about the need to destabilize the Siniora government and to provide Hamas a way to continue to refuse to recognize Israel's "right to exist" to be quite right, in retrospect at least. Nasrallah seems to have succeeded in marginalizing the important Druze faction of the Cedar Revolution, and as you say it is likely that Hizbullah's ability to inflict small scale damage to the Israeli military will provide them the populist cover of a "victory" over Israel. This in turn may cause the Lebanese people, in the absence of a true democratic reform movement, to embrace Hizbullah as the only effective protection against Israeli aggression. This may indeed appear to the wider world as a "defeat" for Israel, faced with the impossibility of destroying Hizbullah.


Clearly, the military action against Hizbullah is not designed to destroy it, or even to marginalize it politically. Rather I think that in the best case it is designed to delay the narrowing of the cultural chasm, and in the worst to inflict upon Hizbullah's support base (ie, the Lebanese people themselves) cultural, rather than military damage. As such it would be an attack against Lebanon's long term economic and political viability.


Yet, it does seem that the attacks are for the most part, narrowly focussed on Hizbullah itself. Moreover, I don't think, contra popular opinion, that the "mainstreaming" of Hizbullah as a political force in Lebanon will result in a failure for Israel. Instead, as in Palestine, it may result in the thickening of it's current para-state organization into a more traditional guerilla organization, as you've suggested. A populist "victory" for Hizbullah in this sense, even with the global reprobation that Israel is receiving, may be in Israel's interest if they can damage Hizbullah's actual ability to fight enough to shift it's emphasis into the political realm.


From this perspective the spectacle of the failure of the insurgency in Iraq is all the more clear: there simply is no political stream to enter into at all. Some will undoubtedly say this is a failure of the Coalition to bring the opposing groups into the process, and to an extent this is true; but for the core cadres of cadaverous Baathists and Sunni thugs there never was a political future absent the Hussein family.

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Posted by youngmarxist at 2006-08-01 02:36 PM
A populist "victory" for Hizbullah in this sense, even with the global reprobation that Israel is receiving, may be in Israel's interest if they can damage Hizbullah's actual ability to fight enough to shift it's emphasis into the political realm. From this perspective the spectacle of the failure of the insurgency in Iraq is all the more clear: there simply is no political stream to enter into at all. Some will undoubtedly say this is a failure of the Coalition to bring the opposing groups into the process, and to an extent this is true; but for the core cadres of cadaverous Baathists and Sunni thugs there never was a political future absent the Hussein family.

Only thing I disagree with here is that it is Israel that will force Hizb'Allah to join the political process.

I think they are part of the political process, simply because what they are doing has the support of a great many people in Lebanon. They can actually get votes, unlike the fascists in Iraq who will not stand in elections.

It's not so much that Hizb'Allah will change, but when/assuming Israel withdraws from the West Bank and settles the issue of displaced Palestinians, that will create space in Arab societies for democratic groups to emerge. It is in the supreme strategic interest of Israel (and its current citizens, should the Israeli state as such change into something else) to spread democracy through its region.


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Posted by arthur at 2006-08-02 12:16 AM

Clearly, the military action against Hizbullah is not designed to destroy it, or even to marginalize it politically.

Agreed. (Though I would also stress that Israel aims to at least appear to have defeated a threat by Hezbollah stopping rocket attacks when Israel accepts its original demands for return of prisoners and withdrawal from Shebaa farms).

But the point I was trying to make is that since Israel never had a strategic option for destroying or marginalizing Hezbollah (since it cannot return to long term occupation of south Lebanon or get the Syrians back in) one has to analyse further.

Given that the military action against Hizbullah is not designed to destroy it, or even to marginalize it politically, what was it designed to do?

My theory was explained in Israel's POWs

As implied by the current topic heading, the goal is to prepare public opinion in Israel (and to a lesser extent the US) for an actual withdrawal from the West Bank in a comprehensive settlement.

Too early to be sure yet, but it looks like Israel will shortly find itself at the Litani River, with several divisions stuck occupying south Lebanon facing a war of attrition that the Israeli public gave up on after 18 years, 6 years ago, and with no other exit plan than an international force that may not be available without a comprehensive Middle East settlement including Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank.

As for Iran not being so quick to confront Israel and through Israel the US, I don't see any actual confrontation at all. Just a lot of "shouting" to give Israelis a more distant enemy to shout at while adjusting their mindset to losing their war for "Judea and Samaria".

See Policy on Iran for my argument that US shouting at Iran has been primarily disinformation.

Joschka Fischer's article just echos that stuff and then neatly ties it to the interesting conclusion that Israel needs to make peace with the Palestinians in order to better confront Iran(!)

Blair has just come out more strongly with something similar.

This planet has very weird political discourse - especially in the middle east. Remember when Sadaam invaded Iran to the North and then Kuwait to the South - both with the declared aim of marching on Jerusalem which lay more through Jordan to the West (and was friendly to both Israel and Sadaam's Iraq).

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Posted by bpors at 2006-08-02 06:52 AM

Arthur,

when do you suppose Israel is going to put its nearly half million illegal settlers?

 

RAMALLAH, July 27, 2006 (WAFA)- The Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS) said the number of colonisers in the West Bank in 2005 reached 451,441.

In a statistical report about Jewish colonies in the Palestinian Territory for the year 2005, stated the number of colonisers in the West Bank in 2005 reached 451,441 colnisers including 191,575 in Jerusalem Governorate (J1).

The report contained statistical data about population, social, economic, and geographic indicators of the Israeli Settlements.

The PCBS said the report complies with its work plan and is the outcome of the efforts of PCBS to produce a series of statistical reports on Israeli aggression against Palestinian people. Such series of statistical reports aiming at producing required data on the situation of the colonies in the Palestinian Territory and to disclose the basic characteristics and factors in which they have an effect on the Palestinian society.

In demographic terms, the PCBS mentioned, the percentage of colonisers in the West Bank, according to 2005 data equaled 15.8% of the total persons living in the West Bank with the highest percentage at Jerusalem Governorate at 38.0% (43.3% of J1). The lowest percentage was in Jenin Governorate, at 0.7%.

Data indicated that the colonies in the West Bank were distributed into four stips, Eastern Strip includes 28 formal colonies, Mountain Strip includes 31 formal colonies, Western Hills Strip includes 48 formal colonies, and the Greater Jerusalem Strip includes 37 formal colonies.

The area of Built-Up Land of the Occupation Sites in West Bank totaled to 187,092 thousand square meters in August 2005, the largest area was in Jerusalem Governorate at approximately 23.7% of the total area of Built-Up Land of formal settlements in the West Bank.
http://english.wafa.ps/body.asp?id=7039

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Posted by arthur at 2006-08-02 06:38 PM
bpors: You asked a similar question about where Israel would put the settlers a while back. I took that to be a rhetorical question emphasizing that your pseudo-left "solidarity" with Palestinians is predicated on your assumption that their cause is hopeless.

Now you are asking when instead of where. Was that just a typo or is the perception that "Greater Israel" is hopeless gradually seeping into your consciousness too in the same way that the Israeli minority - that still believes they can conquer land beyond the 1967 borders - are becoming acclimatized to the fact that they can't?


Fear not, they will not be suddenly driven from their homes by invading terrorist armies and stuck in refugee camps for decades like the much larger number of Palestinians driven out of the 1948 and 1967 borders.


 There will be an orderly evacuation once serious evacuation does start , and they will be resettled within the 1967 borders by a society that has demonstrated a quite remarkable capacity to integrate large waves of immigrants.


Most of them are city dwellers and will end up in high population density cities rather than colonizing townships, although I wouldn't be surprised if there were renewed efforts to ensure a Jewish majority in the substantial areas within the 1967 boundaries that still have an Arab majority.


Very few will remain in the West Bank under a Palestinian State. A quite significant proportion will remain in the West Bank in closely settled areas adjacent to the existing border that will be ceded to Israel in exchange for at least equal amounts of less densely settled land ceded by Israel from within the 1967 borders to Palestine (and a corridor linking Gaza to othe West Bank).


Detailed maps of land swaps that were "unofficially" acceptable to both Israeli and Palestinian "unofficial" delegations were attached to the Geneva Accords several years ago. The majority will have to move, as they did before in coming from societies like Russia to live in the West Bank.



Many are likely to go to America (historically the preferred destination for Russian jews, who are highly urbanized and prefer to live in high density metropolises like New York which still has the largest jewish population).


 Many will go to Israeli cities like Tel Aviv, Haifa and West Jerusalem.


As to when the process will start, and how long it will take, my guess isthat it wil happen within the next couple of years and it will take quite a while along with simultaneous transfer of a substantial proportion of Palestinian refugees from refugee camps throughout the Middle East to major settlements as they are evacuated.


In asking your rhetorical question you were emphasizing that this is a fairly difficult pill for the Israelis to swallow. That is precisely why there is a process of adapting public opinion to its necessity before it actually starts happening.


If a date was already set, the Israelis wouldn't still be in denial about its necessity and you wouldn't be as confused as you are intended to be because the defeat of Israel's attempt to conquer "Judea and Samaria" would already be as well understood as America's defeat in Vietnam.


Your difficulty lies in the fact that your reactionary world view makes it hard for you to conceive of anything not either remaining static or going from bad to worse. That is the substantive message of all pseudo-left propaganda about anything - in direct opposition to the left world outlook that we can change the world for the better.

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Posted by bpors at 2006-08-03 02:51 AM

Arthur, it was a typo.

 

But "when" is good too.

 

You seem threadbare on facts to back up your belief on where. If the Jews we are talking about like urbanized areas, what are they doing in the settlements? These people are, or become, zealots. Just ask their neighbours.

And your "when" theory just seemed like something off the top of your head:

"As to when the process will start, and how long it will take, my guess is that....."
"Guess" being the operative word.

 

I'm not sure if I share your rose-coloured glasses view of the pointy end of Israeli politics. It is a highly militarized state. And it is a highly militarized state based on  territorial/religious foundations. Just like Hezbollah and Hamas. No surprise there.

 

Olmert is now saying they will pull out of the West Bank. Look what has happened to the Gaza. Israel flipped when the Americans forced them out and later saw Hamas get elected. After Sharon left the scene, from that moment on the hawks in Israel politics really took over. The killings in Gaza by the IDF in April/May this year was as violent as any time. I think about 90 killings. Civilians were kidnapped. Families on the beach were slaughtered. This was all to provoke to get a case for their attack on Gaza.

 

Just as the Qana slaughter was  designed to destroy Rice's efforts to bring about a ceasefire. Condi went back stateside very empty-handed with the pro-Israel neocons baying for her blood for even suggesting such a thing. The Arabist State Department don't look like they are going to get their way here as well. Qana was a classic terrorist ploy.

 

I think before you class anything as analysis you had better identify airy-fairy flights of fancy for what they are, and not confuse them with facts that can be discussed.

 

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Posted by owenss at 2006-08-03 06:36 PM

Arthur Im happy to concede that you are correct about the West Bank. What hit me like a brick was the settler soldiers in Lebanon describing Ehud Olmert as insane for his comments about West Bank disengaugement. I did not realise that he has held a position of disengaugement for a significant period of time.

regards Steve

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Posted by arthur at 2006-08-03 08:26 PM
Here's the brick that Steve (owenss) is happy about.

Here's the backoff  for the benefit of people less happy about it.

 Personally I prefer analysing the strategic realities in order to understand what the postures are about - rather than waiting to be hit by bricks when reality and declaratory policies inevitably collide.

Anyway at least Steve has noticed the obvious well ahead of many others who will remain perplexed and bewildered until the bitter end and will then remain bitter.

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Posted by arthur at 2006-09-02 04:32 PM

This item from Haaretz respected strategist Schiff spells out the new line.

"Peace with Palestinians to defeat existential threat from Iran".

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Posted by keza at 2006-09-02 09:55 PM
I suppose the main points in the Schiff article are:

Israel continues to consider the battle against the Palestinians as its main front. This contradiction defies all logic.

and

Politically speaking, we should attempt to conduct talks with the Palestinian leadership - on condition that the violence stops and that there is recognition of agreements signed in the past. If not, what is the point of attempting to reach another agreement? Only true rapprochement with the Palestinians can confer legitimacy on the end of the conflict.


But the article puts it all in terms of an "existential threat to Israel" stemming from Iran and the need to refocus "military priorities" in terms of that.  There's a hint in the article of uncertainty on whether  Israel can count  on  the US  with regard to Iran.  eg

Israel must make it clear to Washington what its "red lines" are when it comes to Tehran.

I'm not too good at reading between the lines on these strategic issues. The declaratory tone of the article is actually quite aggressive eg

Israel's goal is to deter Hezbollah. Israel must declare publicly and immediately that another attack on it will lead to a harsh response against Lebanon and its infrastructure.

However this could be interpreted as a posturing stance aimed at shifting public focus in Israel away  from the Palestinians and  toward Hezbollah, Iran and Syria: "It's not the Paslestinians who ase our enemy but those maniacs in Tehran. The Palestinians are quite nice in comparison so we should sort things out with them" ......

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Posted by youngmarxist at 2006-09-03 03:30 AM
You'd have to assume that Schiff is lying, as he could not possibly believe any of this:

Israel finds itself in a strange contradiction, strategically speaking. On the one hand, it repeatedly emphasizes that for the first time since the 1948 War of Independence it is facing an existential threat: the threat of Iran, which is developing nuclear weapons and is controlled by an extremist religious regime whose president is calling for the eradication of Israel. On the other hand, Israel continues to consider the battle against the Palestinians as its main front. This contradiction defies all logic.

This is the very first time that Israeli propaganda has claimed that the existence of the State is imperilled? Please!

The big Israeli idea at the moment is that Iranian President's Ahmedinejad's anti-Semitic, holocaust-denying ravings mean that Iran is planning to nuke Israel as soon as it can whip up the weapons in the back shed.

There is never any explanation of what Iran hopes to gain by doing this.

Stalin invaded Finland to make Leningrad easier to defend.
Hitler invaded the USSR to colonise it with Germans.
Japan invaded various East Asian countries because it did not want to rely on Western sources for oil.
Bush invaded Iraq to make more 9-11's less likely (or, if you are a pseudo-leftist, for the oil).
Roosevelt invaded France to defeat Hitler and entrench the USA as the leading capitalist power.

Ahmedinejad wants to nuke Israel because...???

If you wanted to liberate the Palestinians, you wouldn't nuke the very land they want. And if you want influence in the Persian Gulf, why would you worry about a state on the coast of the Mediterranean?

On the other hand, if this is indeed a bait-and-switch by Israel's 'Nixons' (right wingers who want to get out of an intolerable committment), whose purpose is to make peace with the Palestinians seem possible and inevitiable, it would make political sense to stir up fear about Iran no matter how little strategic sense it makes.

We are in need of a strategic revolution. We have to determine that the first and primary front is the battle to prevent the existential threat. This means the Palestinian front and everything related to it must be the second front. The most recent military confrontation in Lebanon demonstrated that being overly preoccupied with the Palestinian front caused us to neglect the threat posed by Hezbollah.

That would explain the Lebanese allegations of over 500 Israeli incursions into Lebanese territory from Dec 2005 - May 2006.

The main issue is the Iranian nuclear program. Iran built Hezbollah, it supports Palestinian terror and it is establishing cells of the Revolutionary Guard in Europe and other places. It operates in Jordan and Egypt, and is attempting to change the strategic situation in the Persian Gulf. Iran wants to be a regional power, and it sees Israel as an obstacle that must be removed.

Why must Israel be removed to serve Iran's interests? Surely Iraq is its main regional rival? Jerusalem is 1500 km away from Tehran.

Does Hizb'Allah have the tanks, artillery and aircraft to crush the Israeli armed forces and leave the Israeli people open to slaughter?

Israel's strategic interest is to remove Syria from the Iranian axis. There is no better way to create a barrier between Israel and Iran than peace with Syria. We should aspire to that, but we must not appear to be begging while Damascus continues to smuggle rockets to Hezbollah in order to harm Israel. Lebanon can be rescued by Arab countries whenever Iran wants to get it into trouble. Israel's goal is to deter Hezbollah. Israel must declare publicly and immediately that another attack on it will lead to a harsh response against Lebanon and its infrastructure.

Oh, so Syria is the main problem, because it is Iran's cat's paw in the region...so let's make peace with Syria. Huh? If Iran was really able to manipulate Syria, they would block such a move. While they may work together, I don't think that Shi'ite Persians in Iran want to help Sunni Arab Baathists in Syria get too much power. Iran has had problems with Arab Baathists invading them in the past...

The war in Lebanon exposed weaknesses in the IDF; in any strategic conception the IDF must be strong, and Israel must find acceptable solutions to the threat of the missiles and the rockets. If not, peace will distance itself from us and the threat on the Iranian front will grow.

Hey! Why don't we evacuate the West Bank! That would leave us free to concentrate on those Iranians, 1500 kms away!

If this is what is going on, it certainly does serve the purpose of not admitting that the old project (Greater Israel) was immoral, while allowing the Right to move away from that policy, and to claim they have not been defeated.


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Posted by arthur at 2006-09-03 09:09 AM

PS (added later) For concrete discussion of the Alawi problem in Syria see here.

It's worth studying to gain an understanding of what keza referred to elsewhere as the necessity of democratic revolution throughout the region. ALL the autocracies represent minorities ruling undemocratically, not because of how backward the people are, but because that's the only way minorities can preserve the privileges of ruling. Historically this naturally was in the interests of imperialism (including zionism) which could either collaborate with or maintain the weakness of minority regimes far easier than democratic regimes.

While Syria is somewhat worse than many others (and much better than Sadaam's Iraq), the link also highlights the fundamentally corrupt nature of the regimes defended by the traditional foreign policy establishment and the psuedos. Incidentally Israeli enthusiasm for preserving the Syrian regime (and keeping it in Lebanon) and current pressure on the Bushies to open channels to it arise from the shrewd analysis that despite its demagogic rhetoric that regime is far more hostile to the Palestinians than most others. This also explains (stupid) Palestinian enthusiasm for Sadaam's Iraq which was much less of a direct threat than Syria to independent Palestinian organizations, and was also hostile to Syria while just as demagogic in support of the Palestinians.

While I agree with the thrust of youngmarxist's analysis of Schiff's piece, I'll raise two minor points.

-1. Although the majority of Syrians are Sunni Arabs the (secular) Baathist government is actually dominated by Alawite clans. Alawites are closer to being a non-twelver variant of Shiism than to Sunnis - sometimes regarded as erring Shia and sometimes as non-muslims by both Sunnis and Shia (actual details of the religion are secret from most practitioners!).

The alliance between Syria and Iran has of course not historically been based on religion but on a common enemy in Baathist Iraq.

-2. Although some of this stuff is straight forward lying I wouldn't underestimate the extent to which people convince themselves of what suits them. The process by which a line is developed and propagated in the midst of conflicting interests, tendencies and perceptions is quite complex.